Scott is a 55-year-old engineer from California. After leaving the Navy, his physical fitness dropped dramatically. He got injured over and over again, tried many diets, yet his weight creeped higher. Even after hiring a trainer, his weight didn’t budge. Using the BuiltLean Transformation Program, he dropped 23lbs and feels fit & healthy again in his mid-50s.
What You’ll Learn
- Why Scott kept on injuring himself over and over again
- Why calorie tracking apps never worked for him
- How the BuiltLean Program put all the pieces together
- The workouts he’s still doing 3x a week
- His advice to men who are stuck in a plateau
Marc Perry: Hi, I’m Marc Perry, founder of BuiltLean. Here’s a podcast I did with BuiltLean client, Scott McClure, who not only lost over 20 pounds, he started at one pull-up on week one. Now he can do pull ups with ease, and it’s also over a year after he completed the program, he still continues to improve his results. And that’s why it’s so empowering.
I’m excited for you to learn some of the wisdom he has to share about how you can get leaner and fitter as you age. Here it is.
So you talked a little bit more about kind of your background and then kind of what happened and how you started kind of falling off track, so to speak and kind of eventually decided you really need to make a change.
Scott: Sure. I think, if you go back to my late teens 19, when I joined the Navy, that, I selected a particular line of work in the Navy particular job that required significant physical fitness. And, it was a blast. It was a huge adjustment. But when you get into extremely good physical shape like a triathlete, you feel like you can do anything. And there’s a tremendous sense of power and confidence that comes with that. And, then I changed roles and then eventually left the military and the private sector. And being that fit was no longer part of my job. So when that happened, life happened, right? And I ended up with a job that required me to travel a lot. And when I wasn’t traveling, I was sitting. And also I was sitting on planes, sitting in meetings, and it became harder.
I would still go run. I still do some workouts, but I did the old school, this was back in the ’80s, military style workouts, which had some effect. But as I got older, some of that ’80s style workouts, are kind of hard on the body. And I ended up, I’d go for periods of time where I wouldn’t, I’d kind of get out of shape. I’d get out of the habit, working out my diet wasn’t very good. And then I’d realize what had happened and I’d try to jump right back in. Like, I was 20 and like I was in that shape and I was just going out for another workout, and I landed in physical therapy. So many times, if they had a frequent physical therapy program, I would’ve had major points for that. And I finally got it.
And this kind of happened in my 30s as it was starting. The realization was starting to hit that I need a different approach. So I kind of struggled along in and out of shape for a while. I got into my 40s and I started running a lot. And, that helped some, but it wasn’t a complete solution and my diet, I would eventually ended up resorting in my late 40s to calorie counting apps and trying to figure out like, okay, if I have, if I burn this many calories, my Apple Watch, or my, whoops, as I did this much that, I, okay that many calories out, and I only took this many calories in, and maybe that’s good enough. It never really worked. Like people advertise that it does, but I didn’t really find that that worked for me. And I looked around and I kept feeling like I need a comprehensive plan.
And I tried my local gym and, these chain gyms like 24 and hire a physical, or a personal trainer. And they’re pretty good. I learned new exercises, improved my form to exercises to avoid injury, but I still wasn’t getting what I needed and I didn’t know exactly what I needed. And they, of course, would try to push supplements or do other things, and it was just all over the place, and I still wasn’t getting what I wanted. And as I got into my 50s and then COVID hit, of course, and I just kept, the scale kept creeping up and creeping up, and I could feel the difference. And when I get out of bed in the morning, I was stiff, like first few steps, felt like an old man. And I started to really feel old and get into this mindset where you think, well, this is what middle age is like, this is the way it is, but it doesn’t have to be.
And I looked around and I really was looking for someone to do a comprehensive program. And, Googling around, I found BuiltLean and a few years ago when I downloaded, a diet plan that you had available on your website, and I tried that and it improved some things, but eventually I realized I need the whole thing. And when I saw your program, I was like, all right, I gotta do something. Especially after COVID and sitting around all the time, gotta do something, I’m gonna give it a try. It looks like what I need. And it turns out, luckily, it’s exactly what I needed. And, I love the results.
Marc Perry: Nice, man. So let’s actually talk more about that. So again we’ll kind of show kind of before, after, as you hear in there, could you talk a little bit more about, well first of all, like the results you’ve actually gotten. So like, when you started, you’re at this place, like, is this gonna work? I don’t know. And then you’ve got the results. So like what results have you seen, kind of both in terms of the metrics and then also, I mean, it’s a year, it’s over a year later, right? I mean, that’s another.
Scott: I Think we’re a year and eight months now since I started the program. I think that’s right.
Marc Perry: Yeah, exactly. And the thing is, it’s obviously more of a lifestyle than it is like a set program. So talk a little bit more about the results that you’ve experienced and like what you were before, right? You were feeling more lethargic and where you are now.
Scott McClure: Yeah. I didn’t have a lot of energy. I didn’t sleep well. My attitude was worse. I got grumpy easily. Family and friends could tell you that. It just was sort of a, it was a negative place, I guess is the way to say it. Like everything was kind of down. And I sometimes felt depressed for no apparent reason. And I knew I needed to change something. And so what I really needed was the whole thing. Like for a while, I had a local trainer come to my house, set up a little gym in my garage, we’re doing workouts, but it wasn’t getting me what I needed because what I needed was all the pieces of the puzzle, not a few. Just workouts alone aren’t enough. I needed the structure of the program. I needed, the diet and something practical, not just, Hey, eat foods like this, but having something because I have a very busy job, and so I need something simple that doesn’t require a lot of thought.
So having the building recipes and being able to go, I’m having this tonight. It’s not complicated. I can just make this and I’m done. It’s fast, it’s easy and it tastes good. It’s not subscribing to a food service or something. I tried that. I tried the local health food store had meals that were, that came in and you could buy those and take them home, and they were allegedly proportioned for what you needed. Those didn’t work either. And they got expensive. So having this where I could go shopping a regular grocery store, find one I needed, helped a lot. So changing all those pieces, it was also focusing into getting to bed, hydration, hydration’s huge. And then following the workouts, 30 minutes, three times a week, I’ve followed that religiously. And every time I got the urge to snack, like, no, no drink water, don’t do that.
That helped a lot. It took some work, especially because I was a snack hound. I absolutely, snacked all the time. When I was working from home during COVID and I had a tense meeting with somebody, the next trip after the break was to go to the kitchen. And so it was just, a lot of bad habits crept in. And so having something to follow where I didn’t have to think a lot about it was fantastic. I could just follow it and you follow it, you stay with it. And I immediately dropped five pounds, which must have been water weight because of the junk I was eating. And I didn’t think I was eating that badly. I mean, it wasn’t like cookies and cakes and chips and dip and all that. It wasn’t that, but it wasn’t that clean.
A lot of processed foods. And I had digestive trouble, which I’d had for years and didn’t really understand why until I changed the diet. When I cleaned it up, got away from processed foods, just in a few weeks, in five pounds gone immediately, that was just bloat, water bloat I was carrying around. And that was a surprise, but a very welcome one. So that started off, and for me, seeing results is what motivates me to keep going. And prior to this, I really hadn’t seen results, and it was hard to stay motivated. But this, the five pounds, like yes, okay, movement, this is good. I know it’s just water weight, and I got work to do, but that’s great. So as I kept with it, and then I started seeing more results, and I went from about the peak was 201, over the holidays. I started in that January. And, by the end of the program I was down to 180, 179, hovering around there. And, I’d been sort of, experimenting with that, with tweaking various things with diet, and sleep and realizing the impact of those things. But I’ve been able to stay under 180.
Marc Perry: Nice. I mean, that’s a tremendous change. So like, what have your friends and family thought, I mean, it’s a dramatic change.
Scott: Oh, yeah. It was funny. I went back when we finally went back to the office at the end of the plague, that, went in and people hadn’t seen me for two years except on Zoom. Said, whoa, you look younger, you look different. And, it was funny how, many people noticed. So that was really nice to hear because when you see yourself in the mirror every day, the change is very slow. And it’s not that it takes time to really see the difference, but other people notice. And for them it was a huge difference. And when I see the before and after picture, I cringe at the before picture, like, oh, how did I let myself get that way? And it feels so good to be back where I feel like I look good, I feel good, I feel more confident. It made a huge difference.
Marc Perry: Nice, nice. And so obviously there are a lot of guys out there, like your peers, right? Who, maybe like, you know what, I’m getting old, I’m falling apart here. Like, things aren’t working out. And they have this sort of belief or story that’s like, Hey, this is just what happens in middle age. And so like, how were you able to kind of distance yourself from that and stay on track? Because there’s so many places out there that, being like, Hey, hey, hey, this is impossible. You just, this is how it is continue.
Scott McClure: Yeah. And a lot of people I know that are my age, look around and a lot of middle-aged men in this country are overweight. They, the first stage is to un-tuck that shirt, to hide the belly that’s growing. And it’s like, don’t do that. Then you buy bigger pants and you start doing this thing, and it’s like, stop, don’t do that. Realize that’s a problem and take action. You don’t need to go down that route. And I was the untucked shirt guy, and I don’t do that anymore. I deliberately like having my shirt tucked in now. I can look down like, this looks much better. It feels better. I actually, have to tighten my belts. I had to replace my belts. I had to buy new jeans, and that’s just for a 20 pound change. So I was surprised it was that big a difference. I haven’t been at this weight. I looked at my old driver’s license since I was 30.
Marc Perry: Wow.
Scott: So, but the big thing is that when you get in this mindset, you start making excuses, well, I’m getting old. Must be getting old. I’m middle aged. It’s just the way it is. That’s just giving up. Like, you don’t have to give up. Just because a lot of other people are in that space doesn’t mean you have to be. And that’s, I felt like that was possible, but I’d had so many failures in my attempts to get there that I was kind of desperate to find something. And having that and seeing the results, like, you don’t have to feel like that. You don’t have to look like that. You can do something about it.
Marc Perry: Nice. Nice. I think that’s really… And, so you talk about many of the other things you’ve tried in the past that didn’t work, right? Like even like a trainer. And so a lot of one missing piece it seems like helps a lot of guys is the eating, the structure and also the accountability to kind of have someone there helping you ’cause when you’re in the military, you’ve got your superiors being like, Hey buddy. Like, and so can you talk a little bit more about how that may have helped you, kind of having all the pieces and then the accountability on top and the guidance.
Scott: Absolutely. Well also, the app, that you use in the program, having to enter your weight on Monday of like, oh, you start thinking about that, and you learn not to wait till Sunday night to realize you should have been more careful. So like, no, no, I know that’s coming. You go out to dinner with friends and you’re like, oh, here come the dinner rolls. Like, no, no, don’t do it. Think about Monday morning and the number you want to enter. So it start thinking like that. But also we do the Thursday calls, and so the Thursday calls, the few other guys in the program on there. And one of the things that’s great about that is it makes you feel like you’re not alone in this. There are other people in the same situation or even worse, who are trying to get through this. And, you realize that maybe you’ve thought of a way to solve the problem they’re having and you can share. Or maybe they’ve said, oh yeah, I have that problem. Try this. And, I thought that helped a lot. And it makes you feel like you’re part of a team rather than going in alone.
Marc Perry: Nice, nice, nice. And so, I’m kind of curious, how has like your daily life changed in terms of like your energy levels, in terms of your fitness, in terms of your exercise? ‘Cause I imagine you were saying that you were kind of in the injury cycle, you’re constantly getting injured over and over and over again. I mean, how has your kind of like daily life outlook changed since you’ve lost all those weight, right? Like, I mean and gotten much more fitter and etcetera.
Scott: Oh yeah. I mean, when I wake up in the morning, I have more energy and I’m much more flexible. That’s the other thing. You kind of just, it happens slowly over time. Like weight gain often does. It creeps up on you. So does stiffness, a lack of mobility. And then you realize like getting it out of a, like if you have a sports car sit kind of down low, getting in and out of that starts to get challenging. A friend of mine’s father once said later in life you can still do most of the same things you did when you were younger. You just make a lot more noise doing it. And I think that’s the start, right? Because you’re stiff, you’re like, oh, ugh, moving around, get or you just do something. You do simple things around the house and you get injured.
Like just climbing up on a ladder and trying to put up Christmas light or something you can hurt yourself If you’re out of shape, you don’t have core strength, you can’t support yourself. You’re leaning off the ladder, reaching over, doing something stupid, and you can get really hurt. So this overall, like strong core, strong body balance coordination, and flexibility, it’s safer. You’re less prone to injury and you feel like you can do more and you don’t feel that, for me, that being stiff, I couldn’t drive more than an hour or so in the car. Like driving from northern California to Southern California, five plus hours in the car, I had to pull over, not just for gas, but to stretch because my hamstrings would tighten up and start cramping. I don’t have that anymore. All that’s gone.
Marc Perry: That’s pretty, that’s amazing, man. And so as you’re talking, I’m also considering kind of what insights, I mean, you’ve had such an amazing transformation and like, and again, it’s not like you’re 30 pounds in 30 days and you’re done, and then people would get it back. It’s just a massive change, right? Like, it would be hard to get you back up. It would be very, very hard. So I guess my question is like, what are some of the key insights that you’d like to share with other guys who are kind of struggling and having made the shift, and like, what, helped you make that shift?
Scott: Well, I think for me, once I saw the results, it’s like, yes, I like this. I want, I’m not giving this up. I worked hard to get here. I’m not giving it up. So, if I don’t hit, like, I still do the program, it’s, I finished year and a half ago and I’m still doing it. I’m still doing the three workouts, 30 minutes, every week. And I rotate through the different ones for variety. But, I feel if I don’t do that, I’m worried I will lose what I’ve accomplished and I’m not doing that. So it gave me a structure and it’s only 30 minutes. That’s an, that’s what, an hour and a half a week. That is not hard. You can find a way to do that, and it’s worth it to me. It’s also part of my stress relief.
Like, some mornings I know I got a long day, get up, do that, I will feel better and be in a better mood the rest of the day. Or sometimes if a really busy morning, I’ll do it in the evening, and I do that before dinner, go shower, have dinner, relax, and it rounds out the day. So I feel like it’s just become part of my life now. And the same thing with eating. Even my fiance, she’s got, we use the built in meal plan is a sort of a blueprint for how we eat. It’s helped her as well. She just uses smaller portions, but, using that, like we find we have foods we like, we know how to eat better and, it’s something we can do together. So I’ve, I found that it just sort of became the natural thing to continue because I didn’t wanna give up the results.
It’s not like making a correction, and then you’re done. Because if you go right back to what you were doing that caused the problem in the first place, you’re gonna be right back where you started. So it’s not hard. I think when you’re first starting out, you’re like, is this gonna work? Can I do this? And you really can. I mean, yeah, I struggled. I could do a whopping one pull up when I started like, oh God. Like when I was in the military, I could do 18 to 20 and I could do one. And I thought, oh my God, how, did I let myself go this far? And I fixed that problem. So it took a while, but, I got there and it’s, I think the really important thing is, it’s a shift in your life, but it’s not as hard as it sounds. When, you’re standing out, when you’re just starting at something like this, sometimes it looks like staring up a cliff, but it’s, you just go step by step. You do the workouts, you try, follow the meal plan, you stay hydrated and stick with it. And that’s the thing, if you stick with it, it delivers.
Marc Perry: Nice. Nice. And so, as you know one of the things that we talk about is our chip away mentality, right? ‘Cause the one big challenge a lot of guys have is they have the kind of all or nothing. It’s like, “Oh, I didn’t have a good weekend. Screw it. This isn’t working. It’s all over.” But you kept on going and you’ve kept on going. Obviously, listen, we all have setbacks, but you haven’t stopped. And so like, what has helped you stay on track even when you’ve had setbacks?
Scott: I think it’s a… For me, it’s really important to see results. If I do something, I get a result. Yes. More of that, right? If you work really hard and you get nothing, then it’s really hard to stay motivated, right? So I think if you stay with it, and not just the workouts, not just the meals it’s and the hydration, it’s all of it. And get a decent night’s sleep, that helps a lot too. I found that my results varied along that by that as well. So I think that so stick with it. I had some days where, like in the middle of the program I had eye surgery, I almost went blind so they corrected that and so I was down for a week and I don’t know, which was more stressful, the eye thing, or the fact that I missed a week of workouts and I was worried about not being able to reach my goal.
I was pretty focused. But that all worked out but I got back in as soon as I could, and I started off gently. I had to do fewer reps, lighter weights at first, but then I got back to it. And, even now this much later, occasionally I’ll have a workout where I don’t really necessarily achieve the right, the same number of reps I would, for whatever reason, I’m just having a day where, that’s just too much weight today. I gotta back it down, right? And go back and do that. But that’s… I’ve learned not to let that discourage me. Like, there are gonna be days like that where, last time I could do 10 pull ups. Today I did seven. “Ah, is it the end of the world?” No, it’s not. You just had a day like that, and some days you have more energy. It could depend on sleep, other things, but just keep at it. And then, next time that workout comes around in the rotation, sometimes I blow it out completely. Like, yes, I more weight, more reps, whatever. So don’t get discouraged if you have a workouts a little rougher than some of the others it’ll happen.
Marc Perry: Right, right. And so, I’m just thinking about all the kind of challenges and I hear of people like, before they start program or just guys in general, right? It’s, listen, like I hope people are watching. Listen, not everyone is gonna, even sign up or whatever. But hopefully they’ll get valuable information and advice that’s gonna help them make improvements I’m kind of, one of the kind of challenges I think is the too old, right? We talked about that mental block. One is the balance. Let’s talk about that. The other mental block is balance. Hey, if I’m unable to have my dessert here or my snacks here, then I’m not in balance. And so, talk to me about how your definition of balance has changed, as you’ve made this transformation.
Scott: So you mean balance as far as…
Marc Perry: Yeah balance in terms of like, some people have this perspective of like, oh balance is drinking and eating a ton of food. Obviously it’s changed like your perspective of like essentially pain and pleasure has changed a little bit. What gives you pain and pleasure. So talk a little bit more about how that’s changed.
Scott McClure: True. Yeah. I think there’s that like I will confess to being too strongly attracted to sugar and sweet things. And if I start on that, I’ll just keep going and going and going. And so I find that occasionally I’ll have some small portion, but I know if I have a big portion that kicks off a whole thing in my brain where I want more and more and more, so it’s better just not to go there. Or if you do have a little piece, like, okay, box check, I had some move on but I think the balance, the consistency gets you the results faster and for me it’s kind of like a very narrow mountain peak. You climbed up here and on the top you’re in balance. You’re doing pretty well in sleep, you’re staying hydrated, you’re following the diet, you’re getting your workouts in, and it feels pretty good.
And for me, like if you wanna get on this side, you wanna be on the positive side, you have to get up that hill. You get over there. Like, once you get in that mode, once you get on the side of I’m doing well I feel good, I’m getting the results I want that’s great. But if you start to go the other direction, for me, it’s a slippery slope, right? And then all of a sudden you start getting to, well, I’ll just have this and that, oh, and that too. And then pretty soon you’ve just destroyed it. And I used to do that before this program because having the structure, it’s like, just follow it, just follow it. And that made the difference.
So, well, we do eat out, we do go out with friends from time to time, and you have to look at the choices and look at the menu. And I used to have this mindset of going out as a special event, I’m gonna have something special. And it’s this deeply ingrained mindset that’s hard to beat. And you can have something, I don’t eat red meat that often anymore, but when I may do that when I go out, have something really nice, but have a big salad, first drink lots of water that kind of thing. So be careful when you eat out. You don’t have to deprive yourself of joy but don’t use an excuse to just completely go crazy. And if you do, go a little over, just be more careful the next day.
But to me it’s a terrible idea to start pinging pong, go back and forth from one extreme to the other. And you see diets like this, it’s the gravel in and leaf diet or something like, that’s terrible. And you do that, you hate it, and then you go back to eating pizzas and beer. So I think that staying focused and keeping things in balance, and it’s all those things. It’s the diet, it’s the exercise it’s the hydration and it’s the sleep. Like, get those, once you get those figured out, and it doesn’t happen overnight, literally, it takes a little bit of time to dial it in for yourself. But once you do, then you feel better. Just all day you feel better, you sleep better, and you feel better about yourself, and you start to look better. And the scale shows favorable results, right? So it all comes together, but consistency is so important if you’re all over the place, in and out, in and out, then you won’t like the results. It’ll take longer, and you’re just not gonna be that happy with it.
Marc Perry: By the way, I think you’re talking about, I think you hit on something really important about being dialed in. And so as you know the philosophy is like it’s not a specific diet right? It’s not like hey you’ve gotta have this specific… You can’t have these foods the rest of your life, or that just doesn’t work long term. So most guys in the diet cycle, it’s like, “Okay, I’m gonna, do eat whatever I want.” Then you feel guilty and you’re like, okay, then you’re gonna get work really hard and get super strict, and then you’re going to get frustrated and you’re gonna go back all over again in this cycle. And vast majority of men in the US especially are kind of stuck in this cycle.
And so what you just talked about is once you have that plan and structure in place, you’re able to dial it in for you, ’cause listen, I mean, if people kind of started trusting themselves and use their own intuition and like, “Oh, this makes sense.” I can take what’s good from this and use it for myself, right? And that’s the situation. It’s like you’ve dialed in and you’re now in control. And actually, you said something powerful. So Scott I actually went to Santa Monica Stairs. He’s in California, I’m in Santa Monica. Went to Santa Monica Stairs recently. I mean, he’s had a major transformation. And so one thing we were talking about was like, you feel control of your wake, can you talk a little bit more about that.
Scott: Yeah. So that’s the other thing is once I got to my target goal I decided to experiment. Now that I’ve kind of learned what effects different things have on my body what would happen. So one day I was a little hungry in between meals and there were some cookies in the house that’s my fiance’s doing. I don’t buy those now. But so they were there and I know they taste good, and I thought, well, let’s try it. What would happen? Like, I’d trained myself, grab an… Keep apples in the house, keep other things that are low calorie, high fiber that will make you feel full, but not destroy the diet so instead of having an apple, I’m gonna have those two cookies and see how that feels. And they tasted not as good as I remembered, but they… I wanted more.
So I had those two and I wanted more. And those were more than double the calories of one apple. So the next day, same situation came around, had the apple instead. Afterwards I was full. I didn’t feel like I needed anything else. I didn’t need more apples or more anything. And that’s when I started to realize how much impact these things have. And I experimented. What happens if I go from three meals a day down to two, if I’m really busy? May I have my morning latte and then off to work, whatever. It gets really busy. I end up having lunch and dinner only but not snacking in between, just staying hydrated. And I found that I could do that too. And some days, that’s fine. So I started experimenting with these different things, and I found that, that’s a big mindset shift, I think is going from, I need my breakfast, lunch, dinner, and snacks to actually, I don’t really feel like I necessarily need them all the time.
So it just depends. And that was a big change for me because food can become, it’s part of the ritual, right? You go out to lunch with friends, you go out to dinner with friends and family and doing all this, and it becomes, I’m gonna go there. I’m gonna eat, especially during the holidays, right? That you have these huge meals, and my sister makes massive meals, lots of food, always fantastic. So what I do is I take a tiny bit of each piece, one plate, not two. And so I can sample the tastes, but I’m also thinking, how am I gonna feel afterwards? Yes, it tastes good, but I remember after meals before the program where I felt tired and bloated, uncomfortable and had trouble sleeping afterwards. It has a real impact. And once you start to realize this, you learn this about your own body and how this stuff affects you, you can naturally sort of find your way forward, making better decisions because you go on how you feel.
Marc Perry: Awesome, awesome now I really appreciate and what we’re talking about and the whole idea behind BuiltLean, I do this for a long time at this point. It’s been like, for a decade, it’s like, I… My hope is for men to empower guys, right? ‘Cause I think a lot of companies in the fitness industry, like economically, you’re incentivized to get someone like you hooked like a personal trainer. It’s like, okay, you gotta train with me the rest of your life, or you’re gonna be outta shape, right? In some ways there’s a conflict of interest there whereas my hope with creating BuiltLean is to empower someone like yourself and obviously you have been empowered, clearly, like you’re doing your own little tests, you’re like, you’re in control of your weight, you’re in control of that.
And that’s like a massive, massive, in my opinion, that is really my hope in creating this program. It’s not just the output. Yeah, you know what you need to do to get leaner, like to get leaner and leaner and leaner as you know, and it’s knowing that you can do it and being empowered. So I’m super pumped to hear that. And so my… I guess my last question Scott, and I appreciate your time is, for someone who’s kind of on the fence, maybe they failed a bunch like yourself at some point, again when I say failed, like things just didn’t work out, with their lifestyle, whatever just things haven’t worked out. They’re a little bit jaded maybe. They’re like, you know what, everything I do just doesn’t work out. Life happens other things, blah, blah, blah. For someone like that, like what advice would you give them in terms of getting started with the program? Or what recommendation would you give them kind of where they are?
Scott: I think that if you’re ready to make the change and commit to it and put some real effort into it then I think this program is a great way to do it. I think that what I like most about is it’s comprehensive. Everything is there it’s the diet, it’s the exercise, it’s… And one of the other things that really mattered to me was like you said, it’s the Monday morning weigh-ins and then then the calls to participate and talk to you every week, and talk to others in the program. And it really helps a lot when you’re just out there on your own with a calorie tracking app and some dumbbells and a bench. That’s gonna be rough, right? So it’s… This is the whole, this is… I think that’s the best way to put it. This is the whole package but take advantage of it do all of it. Don’t phone it in, and it’s hard at first.
Like I said, one sneaking pull up, how embarrassing is that? But I did negatives to build up the strength and stayed with it, followed the phases, did that and I stuck with it, and that’s how I got the results. So I would say that if you’re considering this if you’re ready to commit, then it’s absolutely worth it stick with it and you’ll get the results.
Marc Perry: Awesome. Well again, Scott, man, I really, really appreciate your time, man. I think this is super super valuable. I think you shared a lot of great insights and again, like it’s crazy to see the transformation. And I think one more cool thing, it’s like, it’s like you’ve continued to get results. It was just wasn’t in the 12 weeks you continued getting results the whole time so it’s really awesome to see my friend and so again, I really appreciate you being open to sharing your situation and obviously open to doing more Santa Monica Stairs, man, when you’re back around here.
Scott McClure: Yeah. The little funny thing about that, I remember my fiance shot video of us doing it the first time she shot you went first and then shot me. And she said, don’t watch Marc’s video first. Don’t, you’ll be horribly disappointed. And I did… I was like, “Oh, no.”[laughter]
Scott: And so this last time as you went upstairs. I was right behind you the whole way. So definitely wanna do that again.
Marc Perry: Awesome. All right, my friend. Well enjoy the rest of the day. Have an amazing weekend and give good day in my regards.
Scott: Will do. Thanks Marc, really appreciate it.
Marc Perry: Bye-bye.