James Larsen is a classmate of mine from Yale. We both graduated in ‘04.
He is a hospitality executive at Caesars Entertainment, where he’s been for several years. He’s also currently pursuing a PhD in Hospitality Management.
James reached out to me in August 2019 as he had recently hit his highest body weight of 216, and knew he wanted to make a change. We had a conversation about his current situation and what he wanted to achieve. He decided to sign up for the BuiltLean Program and ended up achieving a dramatic body transformation where he lost over 50 pounds. Not only has he achieved results, but he’s sustained them.
I caught up with James to discuss his transformation and how the BuiltLean Program helped him achieve his goals.
What You’ll Learn
- How James overcame stress eating
- His top tips to stay motivated and consistent
- What his doctor told him that shifted his perspective
- How he stays fit with a heavy travel schedule
- What he enjoyed most about the BuiltLean Program
Listen Now
Listen on Spotify, Google Podcasts, and Apple Podcasts.
James’ Scoreboard Note Highlights
After starting the program, James inputted his weight into the BuiltLean Scoreboard and left a note about how the week went. Most guys do it for 12-weeks, but James has done this for 1.5 years! Below are some highlights.
Transcript
Marc Perry
Hey guys. Welcome to the BuiltLean podcast. I’m Marc Perry, the creator of BuiltLean, which helps busy men with demanding careers get lean, strong and function fit with exceptional vitality. And so today, I have James Larson with me. And so James is a classmate of mine from Yale. We both graduated in 2004, and he is a hospitality executive at Caesars Entertainment, where he’s been for several years, and he’s currently pursuing a PhD in Hospitality Management. And so James reached out to me in August 2019 when he recently hit his highest bodyweight ever, and he knew he wanted to make a change. And so we had a conversation about his current situation and what he wanted to achieve, and he decided to sign up for the BuiltLean transformation program, and he ended up achieving a really dramatic body transformation, and he’s lost over 50 pounds. And not only has he achieved results, but he’s sustained them. It’s been a while. So with all that said, James, I’m super, super grateful that you are taking the time out of your day to have this call, and I really appreciate it.
James Larsen
Thanks for having me, Marc. It’s great to interact with you in a way that you are live instead of listening to you at least three days a week, so it’s wonderful to be here.
Marc Perry
Cool. So I guess starting out, I’d love to kinda dive a little bit into your background. You were a lightweight crew athlete. We were both athletes in college, and you were a very fit 170 for a long time. And so I’m curious if you could say what happened, what created this… How did you gain 50 pounds, seriously. Slowly.
James Larsen
Gradually, and then I woke up, and all at once, it was there. Yeah. So back in my… Back in my athlete days, back when I was rowing, I was right around 160 for most of the time, and I was fine being there, of course, but just over time, when you’re no longer in an environment where exercise becomes not only something that you enjoy doing, but something that you feel like you have an obligation to other people to do as well, once that fell out after college, I just didn’t pursue it anymore. And I got to the point where I was enjoying life’s gustatory pleasures probably a little bit too much, without taking into account the toll that it was taking on my health. And because it was such a gradual process too, of gaining all that weight, if you just fast forward from 170 to 210, I would recognize the difference right away, but because it was so gradual, over so many years, I just didn’t realize the creep that was there. And I was at my doctor’s office one day, probably about a week before I contacted you, as a matter of fact, and he said, “You’re just not healthy right now.” And I was on cholesterol medication as well, and perhaps most disturbingly, I had a vitamin D deficiency too, which is just meaning that I wasn’t spending enough time outdoors in the sun, because I had an office job, and I still have an office job too.
James Larsen
So that conflation of factors and just being met with it head-on of being in my late 30s and on medicine for my health and on supplementation for when I should have just been spending time outside made me realize that I need to take serious stock of what I’m getting out of my life now, the lifestyle that I’m needing and whether I’m happy. And I did have a bit of a breakdown following that appointment with my doctor in the car. And I went into the car and said, “I think this is the lowest point of my health that I want to be in, so it’s time to take action on this.” And that’s when I started looking into a few different programs that I could do. And what was most concerning to me was that the previous November, the previous November, so this was in August when I spoke to you, the previous November, I had run a marathon. I had set a goal to run in the Las Vegas marathon where I lived, and I did and I finished it.
James Larsen
And I was still running for a while, and then I realized… And then it just… It dawned to me that it was not sustainable just to keep running at that pace, and what was missing from doing all that running was a relationship with eating, and a relationship with food that wasn’t healthy. I wasn’t paying enough attention to that. So I was exercising, but I wasn’t really watching what I was eating, and because that part wasn’t there, I wasn’t getting the results that I thought I should be getting for logging so many miles every single week. And that’s part of the conversation that you and I had, and part of my concern was the idea of wanting something that was sustainable. And here we are all this time later, and if it wasn’t sustainable, I wouldn’t still be doing it. So that part of… That part of my concerns was laid to rest, I think after I was a good six months into BuiltLean.
Marc Perry
Cool. And so… Well, first of all, I really appreciate that overview. And can you talk a little bit about some of the challenges that you were experiencing as the weight kinda kept on creeping up and up and up? And it sounds like the exercise, you’ve been pretty dedicated, but still the weight kept on coming, it seems like in large part from the eating. So can you talk about a little bit about some of the challenges you were experiencing.
James Larsen
Sure. So I think the main challenge was a mental block, and it was, “What is my relationship with food and what is my relationship with eating?” And my boyfriend is like… He’s a very good cook. I’m a pretty good cook too, and we’re both better bakers than we are cooks too, so there’s always food in the house that is just delicious. And what I realized when I started logging what it was I was eating, was that I just didn’t realize how many calories were in all of the foods that I was eating. So if I was going out and running six miles and coming home and having two slices of the cake that was downstairs, that was defeating the whole purpose of burning those calories. And so recognizing the relationship between food giving me energy and just food being pleasure, it was certainly something that I had to come to terms with. What is interesting now, is that because I have done so much experimenting with the foods that I eat and the calorie content of everything I’ve tried… Over time, I’ve tried different methods of eating.
James Larsen
I’ve tried having several small meals throughout the day, I’ve tried filling for two meals throughout the day, following the various meal recommendations that were part of BuiltLean as well, and the routine that I’m into right now is what’s working best for me, and that’s having several small meals over the course of the day. Because I find that when I am hungry, there are just like, go-to meals and go-to snacks that are there for me, and I know that they’re healthy and nutritious, and the fact that I’ve already prepared them removes that part of the decision-making process that would otherwise consume me and this… Not paralysis, but a sensation of, “What do I do now? I’m standing in front of the refrigerator, what do I eat given what it is that I just accomplished through exercise?” Or, “What’s gonna make me feel best?”
James Larsen
And just through logging how I was feeling and what I was eating, I found those meals that were best for me. And by removing the decision-making process of having to figure out what I’m going to eat at any given time, I think has really taken a lot of the guess work out of my calorie consumption and really allowed me to focus in on thinking, “What is going to get me the best return in consuming these calories while also satisfying me from a nutritional standpoint and from a just enjoyable standpoint too?” Because food is still… It’s still a pleasure for me, it is still something I really enjoy. Been a food and beverage professional for… Since college, so more than 15 years at this point. Good food and good wine are always going to be a part of my professional life and likely of my lifestyle too, and getting those ideas to meld with each other, I think was the most recent breakthrough that I had.
Marc Perry
Okay, cool. And so, can you… I guess when you… Let me just think here. So, what did you enjoy most about the program?
James Larsen
Oh yeah, the part about the program that was so great was that it met the need for me of being sustainable, because when I was running, I was running six days a week, most of the time, and they were hours upon hours. When you’re doing a marathon and your long run in the week is somewhere between 15 and 20 miles, this is a lot of time, whereas with BuiltLean, going forward and having a dedicated three days of 30 minutes just made it so much better because it didn’t feel like an obligation. It felt like, “I can do this in 30 minutes and really enjoy what is happening, and it has a set time at the end, of course too, right? The routine of it all, understanding that basically all of the workouts follow the same format and I knew exactly what I was getting into, allowed me not only to adapt myself to that schedule, but also to visualize it all the time too. So because it was already in my mind and it was finite and small and digestible, I was able to process it as something that I would enjoy doing, actually look forward to rather than seeing it has something that was monumental and huge because it’s short, it made me feel like it was accomplished and it was done, and I would look forward to the next one. That being able to visualize it, I think really, really helped, and that’s just because it is routine based, that visualization helped me substantially, I think.
Marc Perry
Cool. And so can you talk a little bit about, I guess, some of the other components? Because I remember you writing, by the way, last night I read over 44 pages of notes, which is basically all the notes you’ve included in the score board. So, just for people listening. We have a weekly scoreboard, which is basically you put in your weight, you put it in your notes, how you did. And James was basically a rock star from the very beginning. So, he was at 214, and I think that was your starting weight, and then he had a pretty huge drop right in the beginning. But anyways, he kept notes almost every single time. And so in one of your notes, you mentioned how looking at your goals twice a day was helpful. So, were there any other components that were helpful?
James Larsen
Yes, each time… So one of the things that I enjoyed as well is that looking at, of course, the initial transformation period was 12 weeks, it was phase one, phase two, phase three, each one lasting for four weeks. And having a focus that was 12 weeks allowed me to have a goal that was achievable within 12 weeks and also always see the light of what I was working toward to. And now, each time I end a 12-week cycle, my BuiltLean binder is out of arm’s reach unfortunately right now, but it’s right there. I can see it. I re-read all of that material each time before I restart a 12-week cycle. And the goals that are in there, the five goals that I’m going to be working on, or the one goal and the five reasons for it, they’re not only in my binder, but they’re also on my bathroom mirror. A great thing about mirrors is that they’re actually dry-erase boards too. So, on my mirror in my bathroom, the top left corner has the five reasons why I work out, and right below that is the goal, and right below that is a little chart that says the tops are phase one, phase two, phase three, and week one, week two, week three, week four, and each time I finish a week, I just check it off. So, I always know exactly where I am in that 12-week cycle and how I’m pacing towards that goal for that period as well.
James Larsen
So, having those visual reminders and returning to the reasons and not just the goal, I think keeps me on track and always brings those ideas in my head of why I’m doing what I’m doing to the forefront. So, it’s not focusing exclusively on the what, but on the why as well. And those reasons have carried me through many weeks when I thought things were getting difficult. So they were wonderful.
Marc Perry
Cool. And so I actually wanted to ask, so you’re bringing up some of the challenges, so most guys who… I think this is fair to say that most guys who get into training and exercise and eating well, they fall off, it’s kind of the on again, off again wagon, it’s just… It’s challenging to be consistent. So, in week eight, at 193, you said in regards to possibly needing to buy new clothes, this is an interesting… You said, this is in week eight, “I’m not psychologically prepared for my new body, I fear that I’m going to slide… To backslide and gain the weight back.” So, talk to me about that and talk to… What do you think about that?
James Larsen
Yeah. I remember… I don’t remember if it was in talking to you or reading what you had written, possibly both. You did talk about the idea of people saying a few things that weren’t always positive or saying something that was positive and it coming off in a different way, and there were a few people who would comment like, “Yeah, you’re slimming down here,” it’s like, “Are you… ” It’s like you’re about to blow away or it’s like you looked better with [0:18:18.7] ____.” It’s like, “Well, my appearance really isn’t any of your concern, but thank you. Thank you for noticing.” That’s a good thing here. But what I was most concerned about was that there would be a day when I would just want to order pizza and order pizza and then eat the whole pizza. And in my mind, having a day like that, I would not go from 190 to 190.5 or 191, I would go all the way back up to 214. And that idea was at the forefront of my mind often when that sort of temptation came in. And what I learned to do was to recognize how I was feeling, acknowledge it, rather than push it down or push it to the side, and just recognizing how I was feeling at that time, when those sorts of emotions were creeping in. Was I hungry? Was I angry? Was I lonely? Was I tired?
James Larsen
All those sorts of things. And I realized that as long as I acknowledged how I was feeling and what those emotions were, I was able to work through them, and that feeling of hunger wasn’t truly hunger a lot of the time, it was something else that was manifesting as wanting to eat something. It’s the psychological part of this, of course. And I still deal with that, I deal with that, not on a daily basis anymore, but fairly frequently. And sometimes I go to the mirror in my bathroom when I feel that way, I just look at myself and I see what I’ve accomplished and I come back to those reasons, and it gets me back on track, and that’s how I… That’s the way I’ve dealt with it.
James Larsen
Another breakthrough that I had, because you brought up the part that I read about clothing and everything, too, was that it’s a big commitment to say, “All of these clothes that once fit me, that are here, that I own, no more. That’s not who I am anymore. I’ve gotta get something that actually fits.” And I was worried that if I got a new wardrobe and I backslid, then I would feel even worse and it would send me into this other spiral. And I’ve just been open about those feelings and I’ve shared them with other people and just talked through them. And that’s what’s made me feel better and have helped me to get all through it and I feel much better about it now.
Marc Perry
Awesome, man. Well, again, I think it’s… You had an absolutely monster transformation and the photos were just shocking. I mean, they really are, they’re just unbelievable. And so a couple of things. So at times, you had a very heavy travel schedule, you had a lot of challenges come up. And so can you talk about how you continue to get results and how you sustain them all through some hectic times and travels [0:21:36.0] ____.
James Larsen
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I have to travel for work frequently, and I have had to travel safely during this period of public health concern. And most of the places where I travel to, the gyms are not open at the hotels and that is fine, because one of the things that is great about the program is that there are workouts that don’t involve weights. There are workouts that are all about body weight instead. So like the inception workout, I enjoy a lot. I actually don’t like lifting weights [0:22:15.5] ____. I don’t really like lifting weights very much. So anything that is body weight, I love, I absolutely love it. And just doing squats is like a fantastic workout as well. So I did a lot with, I did the inception work out many, many, many, many, many, many, many times.
James Larsen
And yeah, and it’s still really enjoyable, too. So that’s how I got through that part of the actual working out. And then when it came to eating while traveling, which is a big concern as well, in the beginning, it was more difficult than I thought it was going to be, just because there aren’t always the healthy options that you’re seeking out, or the options that are both healthy and tasty. And I found myself eating a lot of salads and then I realized, “This is not as satisfying as I want it to be.” And so I just got more… I kinda worked up the courage in restaurant environments to talk about, “Can I have the dressing on the side?” Or, “Can you make this with X ingredient instead of Y ingredient?” and things like that.
James Larsen
Most of the time people are really accommodating when it comes to those sorts of requests. And in the most recent past, when I’ve been traveling, I’ve actually brought the amount of protein powder with me that I think I’m going to, well, that I know that I’m going to consume over a five-day travel period, and continuing to not only do meal planning but meal scheduling over the travel time has helped me a lot, and because I already was tracking everything that I was eating, it just made it easier to hold myself accountable to how I was treating myself during those travel periods.
James Larsen
It all comes back to the idea of just awareness, awareness, not only of the foods that I’m consuming, but also what my output is in terms of how I exercise. And because I’m in that routine of logging what I eat and locking all of my exercise, when there is a gap there, it pops out at me on my schedule. And I know that if I can do this when I’m at home, it’s like still leading a pretty busy life, I should be able to do it while I’m traveling, too. And the realization is that the environment is really inconsequential when it comes to what I’m going to do, because it’s really all in my mind. I’m going to figure out how to get in the workout and how to eat healthy, I just need to be conscious about it. And that’s how I’ve worked it out while traveling.
Marc Perry
What you just said is really powerful because that’s one of the biggest challenges is usually the organism is like a product of the environment. But you’re just kind of risen above that. You’re just like, “Hey, it doesn’t matter what the environment is gonna be like, I know what I need to do, I know what’s important to me and I’m gonna make it happen.” So that’s phenomenal. And by the way, in terms of the tracking, so as part of BuiltLean program, as you know, we had the eating law, which has kind of morphed into more of like a daily habit tracker, but basically you kind of… In literally a minute or two a day, as you know, it just takes a few seconds to just figure out, Okay, what are you eating? It sounds like you shifted that to focus on more detailed tracking. And I’m kind of curious, it sounds initially just some of the basic tracking helped you shift that relationship with food, and then you’ve kind of gone deeper. So can you talk a little bit more about that?
James Larsen
Yeah. Yeah, I can. When I was first going through the program and tracking the habits, that was fine. But I am both a qualitative researcher and quantitative researcher by training. So the qualitative aspect to say, “What was the one… Was it a two? Or was it a three?” Well, it’s like I don’t fully understand what the scale is right now, so I had to quantify it so that I could understand What is a behavior that is promoting my health versus what is a behavior that is not promoting my health? What is a behavior that is helping me get towards my goals versus what is a behavior that is counter-productive to my goals here?
James Larsen
And because I am quantitatively focused, it was when I was actually logging everything, including calories, including… I mean, I’m at the point now where I’m looking at grams of protein, grams of fat, sugar, fiber, carbohydrates and everything. That helped me put it into perspective of being able to evaluate what I’m putting into my body by understanding the numbers that are behind all of that. And I think that’s just because by nature, I’m more… I respond better to quantitative analysis than I do to holistic, qualitative analysis. So, I needed that. I needed that because my mind works in a way such that I needed to process the numbers behind it. If the numbers were all adding up, then I was on the right track to achieve my goals. If they weren’t, then I was not… Then I was engaging in behavior that was counter-productive to the result that I wanted to see.
James Larsen
So, for me, that’s how I ended up… That’s how it ended up working. I’m a researcher and data guy by nature too. So, I went out there and I read a lot about nutritional science to ensure that what I was doing was data-driven and was backed up by the most recent research and recommendations there, then they had to be adapted in a way that was in line with my goals, and with the lifestyle that I wanted to live.
Marc Perry
Okay. Cool. And so one, I think, that was interesting to me is when you first started, within the first of few weeks, number one, you started getting results right away, but number two, you were like… You had the mindset of like, oh, you might do this more than one round. So, a lot of guys who do the program, they kind of are within striking distance of their goal in 12 weeks and they’re just like, “Okay, I’m just going go through 12 weeks and done,” whereas you thought about as doing one round and two, and you’ve done multiple cycles of the program to help you achieve the results you have gotten. So, can you talk about what led to that decision or how you approached it going in?
James Larsen
Sure, sure. Well, it was in the first conversation that you and I had, and I said, “Is this 12 weeks or is this like forever? What exactly is the program all about?” You said, “Well, it’s what you want it to be.” It’s like, well, if I wanna be healthy for 12 weeks, I guess this is fine, but that’s not what I’m looking for. I was looking for a lifestyle change and this is… BuiltLean has just become like a part of that lifestyle. And again, coming back to the idea of being quantitatively focused, if you follow the recommendation or if you allow the recommendations of what you were saying to do in terms of the exercising, in terms of the eating, then it’s about a 1% drop in body weight per week.
James Larsen
So, that’s really easy to do, so being the excel guy than I am, I just chug through those numbers and just put it in the formula and said, “Well, if I stay on this for 20 weeks, then I’ll be at my body weight multiplied by, what, 0.99 raised to the 16th power or whatever week I was getting to.” And I just kept saying, it’s like, “Oh, that seems even more desirable than where I am right now, and to get there, all I have to do is keep doing what I’m doing right now. Yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and stay on that.” And because going through all of the goal planning and the inventory of reasons and the whole introductory part where you’re introducing the program, because I found that so interesting the first time around, I thought, “I can probably get something new from this each time I go through it,” and that’s what I have found. So, even though I’m reading the same material at the start of each 12-week cycle, I’m taking something else from it and almost having that as the mantra to carry, or mantra, to carry me through the next 12 weeks. And so that becomes the focus. So, I always have my reasons, and I always have a goal for that 12-week period, but the part of the program that I’m going to concentrate on is going to be different based on what jumps out at me from the material at that time.
Marc Perry
Cool. And so I think you’re referring to… So I wrote The Essentials Guide, so it’s like I boiled down my entire lifetime of training and I guess 10 plus years of coaching and doing… I guess I’ve written hundreds of articles at this point on BuiltLean, but I reduced that down into that little… The essentials packet to kind of help… Which is cool, to help guys focus on like, okay, there are a million things you can think about like let’s just focus on these things and internalize it. And what’s really cool is that you internalized it and you’re living it. I think that’s what’s so powerful about it. So, again, super huge kudos to you. And so can you talk a little bit more about the results you’ve achieved? It’s really a dramatic shift. You see the photo of you before, you’re like, you don’t even look like the same person. It’s like, who was that guy? You don’t even… No, but really, it’s like a really stark contrast. So, can you talk a little bit more about the results you have achieved, maybe throughout or just how you feel now versus when you started?
James Larsen
Sure, sure, sure, sure. Mentally, I feel much, much lighter. Physically, I obviously am much lighter. But one thing that’s great is that I haven’t just dropped fat, I’ve gained muscle substantially too. So, I still run, I still run pretty often to get my steps throughout the course of each day. And one thing that’s really cool is that I can see the difference in just how my body feels when I’m running too. So, it’s like all the lifting is great, you look yourself in the mirror, you’re like, “Yeah, I think I look a little bit better now than I used to and I feel a hell of a lot better.” But that also translates to how I feel when I’m doing other physical activities now too. So, now when I go out and run in the morning, I feel like there’s an extra… There’s an extra spring in my step too. There’s something else there that just wasn’t before. And that’s the increased strength. My body is able to move much better than it was before.
James Larsen
So, not only is there a reward from looking at my body and being like, “Oh, that is way healthier than I’ve been in years.” But also the physical manifestation of just how I feel whenever I’m doing anything that is athletic now too. It’s like when I’m doing the actual BuiltLean routine, so whether it’s phase one, phase two, phase three, or whether it’s the Python worker or steel or whatever it might be, the workouts on demand, those are working. I feel like my big muscles, the ones that I see when I’m in the mirror. The flexibility part of it is working on all those other muscles that are the stabilizing muscles, like everything else that is smaller and all through your body.
James Larsen
So, when I’m out there and when I’m running, it’s like if you talked to me two years ago when I was out there, I might be tripping, I might roll an ankle every now and again. And that’s terrible ’cause it just puts me back farther, but now I can feel like the smaller muscles in my feet, in my ankles, responding to everything that’s going on out there too. So, the reason why I bring this up is because the physical transformation is great, I feel so much better, right? But also my body just works better in ways I didn’t expect it to be working before. And I think that’s from concentrating not only on the strength and aerobic part of the program, but also focusing in on the flexibility part.
James Larsen
It’s also understanding that a lot of the stretching that happens at the end of the workout is influenced by yoga. So, I got really interested in yoga again too, and that’s all like making the stretching part of BuiltLean. It allows me to focus on, what am I feeling in my body right now? And how do I make the most out of these 30 minutes? I shouldn’t just feel this in my quadriceps, on my back and shoulders and chest, but there are also so many other parts of my body that I need to be aware of too. So, the increase in body awareness, I think has also become a big part of how I feel now. And I think that’s the connection between my physical self and my mental self, and when those two are in sync, that’s when I feel the best.
Marc Perry
Awesome, man. I mean, your mind-body connection is certainly quite different now than when you started, that’s for sure. And so, yeah, in your testimonial, you created a testimony, you said the biggest transformation has been mental and it’s a different way of looking at myself and valuing myself, can you talk maybe a little bit more about that?
James Larsen
Yeah, yeah. It comes back to the idea that the physical part of the program, it has not been the hardest part, it just hasn’t. It’s like the hardest rep is not the last one, it’s the first one, ’cause after you do one, you wanna do another and you wanna do another after that. And you wanna do another after that. It’s like the most difficult physical motion that might happen is actually just like pressing play on the workout, it’s starting from there, right? ‘Cause once it’s there, you’re like, “This is 30 minutes, like, of course, I can do this.”
James Larsen
And I think as long as that mental piece is there, any of the physical part is going to follow because it just becomes like… It becomes a ritual. It’s like, “This is where I do my BuiltLean routine. So, I am here now, I press play, this is going to continue.” And that is part of just the ritual that I think makes the actual physical side of it so much easier to start, easier to complete and easier to sustain over the life of however long you want to be doing it. And because I just continue to feel better and better, I’m gonna keep it up.
Marc Perry
Nice man, that’s awesome. And so I’m curious, is there anything else you’d like to mention? I mean, obviously, we’ve talked about the eating, we’ve talked about life style, we talked about transformation, anything else you’d like to mention about the program, about your results or anything else?
James Larsen
Yeah. I could have started sooner, I could have started the program sooner because I knew that it was out there. And so the act of just starting it was pretty big in and of itself because it was saying, “Hey, James, I’m making this commitment to you.” I had to say that in the mirror to myself, it’s like, “We’re doing this together, we’re in this, right?” And that I just have to come back to that point over and over again. In the first conversation that you and I had, if you hadn’t said, it would be good to start this… Like it sounds like you’re ready to do it. I don’t know if I would have. I think it might have still have been in the back of my head and I would have continued to just run myself to exhaustion over and over again without addressing the other components that I think the program really excels at if you embrace it.
James Larsen
And it is the fact of go back and read the essentials. Go back and revisit your reasons. I see my reasons, my five reasons every day ’cause they’re on my mirror. Every two weeks, I raise the whole mirror, and I write it all up there again too, and I plan out what’s going to happen and… Yeah, I wish I had started sooner because if I could have felt this way several years ago, I probably would have had to convince myself that it was the right thing to do, but I would love to get a few years back and feeling as good as I do now.
Marc Perry
Awesome, man. Well, listen, man, I really appreciate your time and taking and really sharing some of your insights into this transformation because I mean, like I said, when I saw the photos, I was like, “Oh my goodness, this is… ” ‘Cause I didn’t… It’s like once you see the photo, it’s just dramatic. It’s just unbelievable. Yeah. So, again, I’m super appreciative and yeah, obviously, we’ll be in touch if you ever have any questions, man, just reach out and enjoy the rest of the day. Enjoy the holidays.
James Larsen
Thanks. And I would love to see more people in BuiltLean contributing to the scoreboard as well ’cause sometimes I get lonely on there, so I would love to follow… I would love to follow other people’s stories too.
Marc Perry
I was gonna say, so I’m gonna… We’re gonna have some new scoreboards coming up in the beginning of the year, and I’ll keep you posted on it.
James Larsen
That would be wonderful.
Marc Perry
Awesome, man. Well, listen again. Enjoy the rest of the day. I really, really appreciate it.
James Larsen
Thank you, Marc.
Marc Perry
Alright, bye bye.
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