If you want to improve your health (and your life) while enjoying some timeless nuggets of wisdom, you don’t want to miss this podcast.
Strauss Zelnick is the CEO of Take Two Interactive, which is a multibillion dollar gaming company. He’s also a family man and looks fantastic at 61 despite a dizzying number of intense demands placed on him.
So how does he do it all?
In the podcast below, he gives you a straight answer along with critical information about exercise and nutrition I believe you must know.
If you haven’t already, be sure to check out my review of Becoming Ageless, which is Strauss’ #1 best selling book (See: Marc Perry’s Becoming Ageless Book Review).
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About Strauss Zelnick
Strauss is the CEO of Take Two Interactive, which is a multi-billion dollar public gaming company that has produced Grand Theft Auto, NBA2k, Civilization, among other blockbuster media properties. He’s also the Chairman of Zelnick Media, which invests in a portfolio of media companies. Strauss actually has a life outside of work; he’s the father of 3 kids and has been married for almost 30 years. He currently resides in New York City. Strauss has become a living legend not only for his business acumen (he was President of 20th Century Fox at just 28 years old), but his brutally intense training regimen that includes 10-12 workouts a week.
Topics
(1:23) Background
(3:04) Exercise
(9:24) Nutrition
(18:48) Lifestyle
(31:11) Closing Remarks
Links Mentioned
Transcript
Marc Perry:
Hey, everyone. This is Marc Perry, the founder of BuiltLean. And today, I have a very special guest with me, Strauss Zelnick, and Strauss is the CEO of Take-Two Interactive, which is a multi-billion dollar gaming company that has produced Grand Theft Auto, NBA2K, Civilization, among other blockbuster media properties, he’s also the chairman of ZelnickMedia, which invests in a portfolio of media companies. Believe it or not, Strauss actually has a life outside of work. He’s a father of three kids and is married for almost 30 years, he currently resides in New York City. Strauss has become a living legend, not only for his business acumen, he was President of 20th Century Fox at just 28 years old, but has brutally intense training regimen that includes 10 to 12 workouts a week. He’s 61 years old, and looks amazing for his age and just released a book called Becoming Ageless: The Four Secrets To Looking and Feeling Younger Than Ever, it’s available on Amazon and the book is already a number one best-seller. I first connected with Strauss over two years ago. It turns out Strauss was getting the BuiltLean newsletter, and we’ve done many workouts together since then, so I know he’s the real deal for sure. So with that said, thank you so much for joining us today, Strauss, I really appreciate it.
Strauss Zelnick:
Thanks Marc, thanks for having me.
Marc Perry:
Great, so let’s get started with your background. Were you always into fitness growing up?
Strauss Zelnick:
Not so much. In many ways, I really define myself as a student growing up. I liked school, and I worked hard in school, and did pretty well in school. I didn’t play contact sports, my parents thought they weren’t refined, I played tennis, not particularly well, I ran, and I was a skinny kid. So in my early teens, I started lifting weights, but I was so skinny then, they didn’t have much of an effect on me. So that was it. I did all of the activities that any kid does, but I didn’t play organized sports, and I certainly didn’t define myself as an athlete.
Marc Perry:
Alright, so how did you become so passionate, I guess, interested in health? Was it a spark? Was it a progression? Can you talk a little bit about that?
Strauss Zelnick:
Well, initially, it was, I was in grad school and I was hanging out with a close friend, and we’re just sitting in his room drinking beer, and he said to me, “Hey, you have a paunch.” And I said, “No, I’ve always been skinny. I’m skinny, I don’t have a paunch.” He said, “Well, you say that, but look down,” and I looked down and I was like, “Wow, that really… That is a paunch.” And the next day, I decided, “I’d better start picking up some exercise.” That was the first motivation, and it gradually built from there into something that’s really become a passion.
Marc Perry:
Fantastic, and let’s switch to exercise for a second. I think in the Becoming Ageless book, you say something that is typically not associated with working out, which is, “Be gentle on your body.” What do you mean by that and why is it important?
Strauss Zelnick:
Well, most fitness magazines and books make promises like, “Get your beach body in four weeks, washboard abs overnight, the best four-minute workout,” and the promise offers people something that really isn’t attainable and runs a risk actually of being counter-productive. If you say to someone, “Look, do this impossible task incredibly intensely every day for 90 days, and then you’ll look like a fitness model,” first of all, it’s not true. Secondly, most people just can’t do it. And what I prefer is the way I got into it, which is the day after the fateful conversation I just described, I didn’t run over to the gym and do a one-hour workout with weights, I wouldn’t have even known how to do that. I had the presence of mind to just start doing some sit-ups and some push-ups, and I got a chin-up bar and did some pull-ups at home. I don’t think I spent more than 10 minutes a day doing it, and I think I did it two or three days a week.
That was what I started with, that was… And by starting so gently… I didn’t see any results incidentally ’cause how could you? By starting so gently, I eased my body into it and then my mind followed, and that’s essentially what I recommend. If you’re carrying extra weight and you haven’t been to the gym for 20 years, I don’t recommend you go to the gym tomorrow. I recommend you take a walk tomorrow, maybe take a 15-minute walk, maybe not even a brisk walk, and then maybe do it again the next day. Ask yourself to take a walk a few days a week and don’t do it any more than that for a few weeks, that becomes your induction, and then slowly add on to that. And when people say, and they do, “No, no, no, I want results more quickly,” my response is, “Look, you didn’t get into the shape you’re in now overnight, you may just have to be a little bit patient.” And by making it a gentle entry into a new lifestyle, it’s not jarring, it’s not unpleasant. After all, walking is nice. When you walk with someone else, that’s pleasant. You can pick gentle activities you enjoy and your mind will come along.
Marc Perry:
I really appreciate that, and I think the idea of being gentle and progression are just so massively important for success in getting a lean and healthy body, so I really appreciate that.
Strauss Zelnick:
Also Marc, your workouts… If you think about it, when you… In your BuiltLean program, which is a really smart program…
Marc Perry:
Thank you.
Strauss Zelnick:
You do not say to people, “Get some heavy weights, bring me into the gym with you and train six days a week with heavyweights for an hour a day.” To the contrary, your first program is essentially three workouts a week…
Marc Perry:
Yep, absolutely.
Strauss Zelnick:
Roughly an half-an-hour, and you and I both know that if you combine that with a healthy diet, you will get great results, but they will not occur overnight, or incidentally, even if you go to the gym six days a week for an hour a day, you’re still not getting overnight results.
Marc Perry:
Absolutely, I think that’s really well-said and I appreciate the thoughts on the program. And do you have any general thoughts to share on strength training for looking and feeling younger?
Strauss Zelnick:
Well, you said it yourself, you said, “Strength training,” and if you want to look younger… And my book really isn’t about looking younger, it’s flattering if people say that you look younger once you’re old, which I am. But the truth, is it really isn’t about looking younger, it’s about looking your best. But if you do wanna look younger, then one of the things that makes us look older is carrying extra weight, and the other thing that makes us look older is bad posture, and you can address both by doing, in addition to moderate cardio, by doing weight-bearing exercise. Weight-bearing exercise keeps your bones strong, your skeletal system strong, it therefore will allow you to maintain a more youthful posture. And weight-bearing exercise combined with a healthy moderate diet with some cardio exercise will allow you to lose weight at a slow rate over a long period of time, not at a rapid clip. If people think I look younger, and it’s tempting to flatter oneself, I try really hard not to, it would be because I’m the same weight that I was when I was 30 years old, and I stand up straight.
Marc Perry:
Well-said. And I had one more question about the exerciser’s mindset as well. But in the book, which I’m obviously a fan of, you say that, “My mind and body operate better when I have a workout-heavy routine.” What do you mean by that?
Strauss Zelnick:
Exercise for me is a drug that keeps everything in my life humming along more effectively, and that’s true for you as well, course.
Marc Perry:
Sure.
Strauss Zelnick:
And I don’t drink, and I don’t put anything else in my body, I try to eat right, but I certainly don’t even do that perfectly, nowhere near as perfectly as you do, for example. But I find that exercise is the fuel that makes me feel energetic and at my best. And there’s a lot of evidence that exercise can release endorphins or internal opiates into your system, I don’t know enough about physiology to know if that’s true or not. I will say that I’m not a runner, although I do run, but if you’ve heard of a runner’s high, I probably get an exerciser’s high.
Marc Perry:
I love it. We both love exercising, so I appreciate that answer. And so let’s shift to nutrition a little bit, can you give an overview of the eating plan you recommend that works well for you?
Strauss Zelnick:
I’ll paraphrase my doctor and friend, Peter Attia, there are probably three things you should stay away from: Alcohol, sugar and refined carbohydrates, and by refined carbohydrates, that would be things like bread and pasta and other things that have been processed, as just a starting point. And if you do those three things, pretty much everything else is free ball. But I’ve had dinner with Peter, and I’ve seen him have a glass of red wine, and I’ve seen him eat some bread, albeit not a lot, and occasionally I’ve seen him eat dessert. So my suggestion is not that you try to do it perfectly, but see things as they are, and what that means is your diet should be heavy on vegetables and healthy fibers, moderate with regard to lean protein and fruits, and exceedingly restricted with regard to processed foods, refined carbohydrates, added sugar and alcohol.
And in fact, the book outlines a very simple program that suggests unlimited foods, limited foods and restricted foods, and you can build an eating plan from that quite simply. I also put in recipes. Believe it or not, they’re… Marc, you know I’m a cook, they’re actually my recipes, or in some instances, family recipes that have been adjusted to be a little more healthy, and they’re all super easy because we’re all busy people. So I outline the truth, which is, “Look, yeah, you should stay away from these things.” And then my truth, which is I do not eat a perfect diet, I do eat some bread, not a huge amount, but some, I don’t eat a lot of pasta, I try to stay away from added sugar in normal foods, but I definitely eat dessert, and not every day, but most days, and then I train really hard, and I recognize it isn’t exactly optimal, but it’s pretty good.
Marc Perry:
Awesome, and I think that’s a fantastic overview and certainly a lot of… I think a lot of wisdom in there and nuggets of wisdom. And so turning… I think this actually goes well with the next question. There’s so many diets out there ranging from ketogenic to Mediterranean, a lot of people get very confused, we get so many emails to BuiltLean about all these various diets. Do you have any thoughts to share on that?
Strauss Zelnick:
Different diets do work for different people, and if you wanna lose weight, cutting out or restricting one food group is almost certainly gonna work, which is why there’s a debate between a low-fat diet and a low-carb diet, both can cause you to lose weight, but what’s really going on is you’re just, you’re taking a food group away, and I’m not sure that is the healthiest way to go about things. There are certain people who can do really well on an ultra-low carb or keto diet. I train in a way that I simply have to have carbohydrates, and most athletes need carbohydrates, and if you wanna build muscle, you need carbohydrates. The question is what kind of carbohydrates? They are not all the same.
So a bag of potato chips has carbs in it, so does a yam, a roasted yam. I’d strongly recommend a roasted yam, and I’d suggest you stay away from anything in a bag or in a box unless you’re knowingly having it, and that’s your pleasure, and that’s a choice you’re gonna make, sort of a different issue, but potato chips are not a food group. So I don’t really believe in low-fat, ultra-low-fat diets, I think we do need healthy fats. I do believe that you should restrict carbs that come in the form of processed foods or are refined, but I do not suggest that you try to eliminate carbs from your diet. And remember, the goal here is… Unless you’re training for a show, and that’s a completely different discussion, your goal here is to live a certain way. So having trained with you, Marc, you look like your picture all of the time, that’s what you look like.
[laughter]Marc Perry:
That’s funny.
Strauss Zelnick:
There’s a really nice picture of me in my book, not sure I look like that picture all the time, they’d have to carry around some lights for me to look that way all the time, although it is not Photoshopped, it’s nicely lit. But my goal is to walk around feeling good and looking my best, and we have to make certain choices in order to do that. But I’m not training for a show and I’m not being photographed every day, and I do wanna have a nice life and for me, that includes a diet that has some things in it that no doctor would say you should eat a whole lot of. I’m just trying to tell the truth because the problem with most publications in this space, is I think they offer people things that just aren’t realistic. I know you don’t believe in that and I don’t believe in that. You are able to eat a very disciplined diet and follow a disciplined exercise schedule, I eat a mostly disciplined diet and follow a disciplined exercise schedule. We all can be fitter than we were if we have been out of shape by making small incremental gains. We should look for progress, not perfection.
Marc Perry:
Again, very well-said. Let’s shift to… You actually mentioned this, just earlier in terms of the alcohol, and I was just thinking that’s such a big topic for a lot of the guys I coach. And just from a lot of the questions we get, it seems like that’s a stumbling block for a lot of guys in terms of getting the results they really want or just starting to get results, and I know you gave alcohol up about six or seven years ago. Can you just talk about how you decided to do that?
Strauss Zelnick:
Well, I only drank Scotch, it was my drink of choice, and I decided that, “You have a couple of Scotches a day, it’s no big deal.” But I realized that I was getting up at 5:00 in the morning to train 6:00 and train pretty intensely, in fact, more intensely, and that became totally inconsistent with having a couple of stiff drinks the night before. And I reached a point of saying, “Listen, I gotta be honest with myself and choose. Am I gonna define myself as an athlete or define myself as someone who drinks Scotch,” and I decided to define myself as an athlete. That is… It doesn’t mean that you need to do that or others need to do that, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with moderate drinking, although for those who say it’s healthy, I’m skeptical.
In fact, a study was just published, I think it was in the New York Times a couple of weeks ago, which is a massive meta-study with like 600,000 data points in it, that made the case very strongly that even a small amount of alcohol is not good for you. Not necessarily bad for you, but there are no health benefits related to alcohol, and I think in the fullness of time, that’s gonna become accepted, an accepted truth. So those who think a couple of glasses of red wine a day are good for you, are just about as wrong as the doctors in the 1950s who recommended menthol cigarettes because they “soothe your throat,” I just don’t believe it. But that doesn’t mean… In the same way, I’m not prepared to tell you that chocolate-layered cake is good for me, but yet, I’m still not prepared to give it up entirely.
Marc Perry:
That’s… I never really thought about it like that. And by the way, I didn’t even know that about the cigarettes. I’d never heard of that and that’s really scary, actually. [chuckle]
Strauss Zelnick:
Really scary, and I guarantee you, the same conclusion maybe reached about alcohol. But again, it’s personal choice. The truth though is if you’re doing what I was doing… So I was probably consuming 800 calories of alcohol a day, 700 calories a day, all of which metabolizes to sugar. That just… You’re just not going to get the results you want if you’re putting that in your body, but if you wanna go out on a Saturday night and have a couple of drinks, have at it. I don’t feel the same way about cigarettes, by the way. I do not think you should go out Saturday night and have a couple of cigarettes or vape or anything like that, it’s really bad for you.
Marc Perry:
Okay, cool. No, I appreciate the thoughts. And can you share your quick recommendations regarding water intake and hydration, maybe?
Strauss Zelnick:
Drink huge amounts of water and you know that to be the case as well.
Marc Perry:
Right, of course.
Marc Perry:
When I get up in the morning, the first thing I do when I get out of bed is drink about 16 ounces of water, drink a lot of water with every meal. If I’m feeling hungry and I think I may eat some stuff I probably shouldn’t eat, I’ll have a huge glass of water first, and then I’ll have something ’cause it takes the edge off your appetite. Certainly, if you’re training, you need to have a lot of water. I always have a glass of water on my desk, it is a great way to, first of all, just to stay healthy, and stay looking good, it’s good for your skin, it’s good for your entire body, it keeps everything running properly, it’s also a great way to curb your appetite if you need to.
I love it, that’s exactly what I recommend, I think it’s a really great recommendation. And so let’s shift to lifestyle now and I think the next… The following question is, I think, a burning question many people have and that’s, you seem to do the impossible every day by having so many competing demands with business, fitness, friends, family, etcetera, what’s your philosophy on productivity and work-life balance?
Strauss Zelnick:
I think everyone can have three or four priorities in life. And if you think that you can be all things to all people at all times, you’re kidding yourself. There’s this uniquely American fantasy of having it all, and it’s reflected in television commercials, where you see the super mom and the super dad and the beautiful children, and they’re doing absolutely everything and then they’re still smiling and upbeat at the end of the day, and that’s not true for most of us. Most of us have a lot of competing demands and it can be very difficult to fit into those competing demands appropriate exercise or even having time to make healthy food as opposed to running out for something quick to eat. So I believe that one has to own your priorities, and that means certain things won’t get the attention you might like them to get. For me, priorities are my family and my friends, my work, fitness, and mentoring and charitable activities. And if you think about it, that leaves a lot of things off the list that I like, but just aren’t my priorities. For example, I really like museums, I like movies, I like television, I just don’t go to museums or watch movies or television shows as much as I’d like because it’s not a primary priority for me.
So I don’t know that it’s my life is so balanced, I think it is… I understand that one has to make a choice, and I’ve made those choices. And I’m very blessed because I have some resources and I run my own business, so I think those choices are easier for me, and I don’t mean to imply that everyone has the flexibility. But when people say, as they sometimes do, “Well, of course, you’re in good shape because you’re the CEO of a company, and you have money, and you could hire great trainers and you have time at your disposal,” my response is, “Well, okay, you say that, but how much time did you spend watching television or having cocktails in the last month? And how much money did you spend on drinks or movies,” for example. And there’s nothing wrong with any of that, you should feel free to do it, but for most everyone, you would have the ability to join Planet Fitness or Blink for under $20 a month and find two hours a week across three sessions to get some exercise ’cause that’s really all… That’s all the BuiltLean program asks of you.
Marc Perry:
Right, absolutely. And you also talked about the importance of what you want, and I think that also has to do with priorities, so I just wanna clear that up for people.
Strauss Zelnick:
Right, they… When people talk about anything in life, whether it’s a job, or a relationship, or health and wellness, I think you have to back up the conversation and say, “What is it that you’re really trying to achieve here? What are your actual goals,” and I believe in writing down those goals. Actually, there’s a section of the book where you can write down your goals, and I have, and my goals are… I keep them with me written down in my iPhone, in the notes. And first of all, by writing down goals, we tend to see them for what they are and if they’re unrealistic, we… They embarrass us and we take them off. When they are realistic, we’re more likely to comply when we write them down. So the first thing, is what are you really trying to achieve, and then are you prepared to do it? What I say is, “Look, write down the goals and then why don’t you see what you’re doing in a month? And if you’re not acting in service of those goals within a month, well then either take the goals off the list or change your actions, one or the other.”
Marc Perry:
Fantastic. And let’s talk of some of the nitty-gritty, how much sleep do you get per day? When do you wake up and go to sleep?
Strauss Zelnick:
Well, I try to get seven plus hours a day, and I think there’s a lot of evidence that seven to eight hours is healthy. During the week, it’s usually six-and-a-half to seven. On the weekends, I’ll catch up a little bit or I’ll nap. I don’t believe that it’s a good idea to sleep a very short amount of time, it makes you crazy and unhealthy. There is a very small subset of the population who are indeed short sleepers who actually only can and need… Can sleep three or four hours a day and really only need that, but it’s like 1% of the population, and most people who aren’t getting enough sleep really pay a price for it in productivity, mood and health. So I’m a huge believer in getting enough sleep, and when I… If I cut it down more than six-and-a-half, and even that’s a push, for more than one day, it’s a problem. I try to get to bed before 10 o’clock, I don’t always succeed, that irritates my wife who likes staying up later, and most mornings during the week, I’m up at 5:00 because I train at 6:00. Saturday… On Friday mornings, I get up an hour later at 6:00 to train at 7:00, and on the weekends, I’m usually up by somewhere between 6:30 and 7:30. So for me, that constitutes sleeping in.
Marc Perry:
Awesome. And in the book, you mentioned you do prayer and you talk about meditation a little bit in the morning for three to five minutes. I was curious why you do this, or if you can talk through about why you do this?
Strauss Zelnick:
I think all lives are benefited by having a spiritual component, and I think we all have to define that for ourselves. For some people, it can mean formal religion, but that doesn’t really resonate that much with me. For other people, it’s meditation, and for some people like me, it can be prayer. I like the notion of acknowledging that your span of control is your wing span when you hold your arms out to the side and everything else is outside of your control, and I think prayer and meditation acknowledge the distinction between what we can do, the actions that we can take, the goals that we have, the things we can effect, and that which is outside of our purview that we can’t effect. And you don’t have to believe in magic or in a particular supreme being to acknowledge that the universe will operate, whether you like it or not, outside of your actions, and my prayer involves trying to align myself with the universe, not trying to get the universe to align itself with me.
So I find that morning prayer is a way of acknowledging the reality, the distinction between actions and outcomes on the one hand, and a form of listening to what is outside of me and making peace with the fact that I will make or hope to make my best efforts for the day, but I cannot control the outcomes, and that’s been a huge journey for me and for me now, it starts with morning prayer. As I said, and that’s not for everyone and I don’t expect it to be. I think some quiet contemplation everyday is a recipe for a good health and a good mood.
Marc Perry:
I think that’s fantastic advice, and I hope certainly all of our listeners take heed of it, and I appreciate you being so honest and forthcoming, not only in this podcast, but also in the book as well, which I think is like a tell-all. And I think it’s important for our listeners to understand that you have quite a large network outside of just business and family, but also in the fitness world, and you take it very seriously. And can you share your thoughts on building a tribe?
Strauss Zelnick:
Building, sorry?
Marc Perry:
Building a tribe, I’m sorry, building a tribe.
Strauss Zelnick:
Oh, building a tribe? Well, part of it is you just have to be prepared to be rejected. So you have to let go of the embarrassment of people not responding when you reach out. So I have two tribes in fitness, you alluded to one, one is the program which is the morning crew that I train with, and that came together very organically here in New York with a bunch of men and women, mostly in their 20s, mostly former varsity athletes, some professional athletes who train together doing different things every morning. This morning, I did a indoor cycling class at SWERVE, yesterday I did Hot Power yoga at Pure East here in New York, tomorrow I’ll be at Trooper Fitness with Flex Cabral.
Marc Perry: I know him. [chuckle]
Strauss Zelnick:
On Friday, I’ll be at my gym. Each morning is with somewhere between 10 and 25 of our crew, and that came about just by being able to train with other people and inviting other people to come, and you can do it anywhere, there’s no money involved, it’s very inexpensive to do this. And if you don’t wanna be inside a gym or in memberships, you can train outside or you can take a walk together. But I love the program, it’s a great group of people, and we have a really great collective attitude. There’s no unpleasantness, everyone’s supportive of one another and everyone enjoys each other’s successes.
Strauss Zelnick:
And I also have a tribe… You alluded to it in the fitness community, and it speaks to our relationship as well, which only came about because when you sent me an email… I had signed up for your outdoor fitness class and then we got rained out. You sent me an email, it was presumably a form email that said, “Hey, if you can’t make… If you couldn’t make it to that class, there’s another one in the state.” And I wrote back and said, “Well, I don’t know if I can do that, but I’d be really happy to meet you. Why don’t we get together for a workout?” And you said, “Okay, I’m game.” And doing that, I’ve met… [chuckle] I can’t tell you how many people I’ve met in the fitness business from whom I’ve learned and who’ve expanded my life.
Now, not everyone responds that way. I’m sure I’ve been the unlucky recipient of plenty of… Or not recipient specifically. I’m sure I’ve had plenty of my emails deleted and my phone calls ignored, but I don’t really focus on that. I like meeting people, I’m friendly, and I love learning from people in the fitness community. And if you wanna meet someone, my attitude is, “Reach out to them. And if they don’t wanna respond, they don’t have to.” I don’t believe in stalking people, you understand. But I’ve met a lot of people who interest me, just by reaching out and saying, “I’d really love to meet you,” and I started doing it when I was really, really young and I’ve met all kinds of people that way. Now, I do believe that you have to… You can’t overstay your welcome, you have to show up with something interesting and/or amusing, and you have to be respectful of other people’s boundaries. But I can tell you that the interesting people I’ve met in the last probably 10 years, there’s been a lot of people in the fitness community.
Marc Perry:
Fantastic. Strauss, I really, really appreciate it. And how can people follow you or learn more about you?
Strauss Zelnick:
Well, if anyone has an interest, I’m on Twitter under my name, and I’m on Instagram also under my name. There aren’t a lot of Strauss Zelnicks out there. You can also follow @theprogram_nyc on Instagram, so you can see a whole bunch of shirtless men and scantily-clad women training together in the mornings, which irritates my wife to no end, so that’s an added benefit and you can see what we’re up to. It’s not always glamorous, but it does tell a story.
Marc Perry:
Awesome, and anything else we haven’t mentioned that you’d like to discuss for a second?
Strauss Zelnick:
I think that the prescription is not how you can look 20 at 80 or how you can always feel your best. The prescription is that if you monitor your health, you get some exercise, you eat a reasonable diet and have some connection to others and some connection to the universe, you can be your best self at any age, you don’t need to be defined or limited by your age, and that will help your health and happiness. And when you improve your health and your happiness, you know what? You’re gonna look your best too for what that’s worth, and you may just hear people saying to you, “Wow, you look amazing.”
Marc Perry:
Awesome. Well, I just wanna say thank you again Strauss for joining the BuiltLean Podcast and sharing your thoughts, and I do… And to our listeners, I encourage you to grab his new book, Becoming Ageless, on Amazon. I think you’ll really enjoy it, I absolutely loved it myself. And I think that’s it folks. Thanks again.
Thanks, really down to earth and informative conversation
Thanks, Mitchell! Very glad you liked it and hope all is well
Thank you. Insightful and honest, looking forward to checking the book out.
Amazing and brilliant. Timeless advice